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Loyal Servant
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PURE Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.18 13:36:00 -
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CCP will never ban farmers.
Plain and simple.
Now, CCP 'might have' banned some alliance titan pilot for bouying isk by his own admission.
Renting space to farmers is bad mmkay?
I hope that CCP makes more of an example of the alliances that I see floating around that are riddled with isk farmers.
So, I hope that was your notice...
I will believe they are doing something about farmers when I see less isk farmers in mission hubs and dead-end 0.0 systems.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
PURE Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.18 23:44:00 -
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Current game mechanics that the farmers exploit to the n'th degree:
- Cloaks
- Logging off
- Disposable scout/hauler alts
- Wardec system
- Missions/Ratting
- Mining
- Contracts
- Market
How?
Cloaking:
They cloak when someone enters system. simple.
Logging off:
They log at the first sight of a probe or person in local.
Disposable alts:
They use these for scouts mostly.
costs nothing for a clone or ship - all free
The hauler alts probably are in the same situation.
Wardec system:
If they form corps, and they often do... they have no roles and they simply hop when some player corp wardecs them.
Rinse, repeat.
Missions/Ratting:
They run them 23/7 and rat 23/7
Now, if CCP cannot see that someone is online and active 23 hours a day 7 days a week and smell something fishy they need to get a clue.
Obvious account sharing... the human body cannot live without sleep.
Mining:
They do that 23/7 too. (Ice mining) See above.
Contracts:
This system brought exposure to them so they stopped using it.
They would put contracts up for hundreds if not billions of isk for 1 ammo or an ibis....
This was viewable by players and the players cried out.
CCP had their spokesperson state that accounts doing this were 'banned' yet most of the accounts in the lists of accounts are actually still operating even today and farming without a hitch.
This is one of the biggest and most disregarded lies that CCP has told since t20.
Market:
Big untold secret.
If you happen to watch the market and watch it carefully you may see the odd market sell order for like 100 charges or a missile for like 100 million isk, or 200 million isk.
Whatever the isk purchaser has purchased.
It is widely known and advertised by CCP that they do not reverse market transactions so this is quickly becoming the safe, secure and foolproof method of transferring isk between buyer and seller.
In one of my many conversations with isk farmers (the ones that talk) they admit that they are moving to market transfers of isk because the seller and the buyer are not punished and the exposure is a lot less.
It is not really 'seen' by anyone.
I was told by a farmer that sells to a site called 'gag---' (figure it out) and that is a method they use.
Same farmer admits to playing AoC at the same time farming gold.
Another method is smaller, multiple market orders.
How it works:
Isk buyer buys isk.
Isk buyer is contacted via email and gets instructions on how to receive isk.
Isk seller tells buyer to place an order in a region of their choosing and using a module of their choosing at a station of their choosing and to put the order up for the amount of isk puchased.
They are told to provide that information to a specific banking character that is replaced daily with a new alt.
banker buys the item on the market from the isk buyer and he/she now has x million isk.
They advertise this extensively that they have 'secure' isk transfers because CCP will not reverse a market order so .... isk buyer gets his isk and if the seller gets banned, who cares?
he sells a billion isk with one of their bankers they pay for the account so it matters not if they lose a few.
Questions?
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
PURE Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.19 00:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Lucy'Lastic
Why are people that buy Isk still allowed to keep playing? Perma ban anyone caught buying Isk.
A: simple business.
They take the isk back and that in turn, depending on how much the person has to make back usually forces a person to buy game time cards.
CCP still collect sub fees + gtc sales.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
PURE Legion
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.08.19 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: Loyal Servant on 19/08/2008 13:17:06
Originally by: Black Leather
Near as I can figure, out of 100 people playing.
10 are in 0.0
5 are in low sec
30 are mining high sec
45 are running high sec missions
10 are real ISK farmers. (not the Corp macro miners/ice miners, etc.)
So you folks are saying to destroy the game for almost half the player base by pushing them into low sec to stop the 10% that are being naughty.
Ain't gonna happen.
Actually it depends on where you go.
They run Caldari Navy missions mostly and if you stick to those areas where the level 4 agents are you will find that of the 100 per system that about 85-90 are isk farmers and the other 10-15 are real players.
Jita has a high concentration of isk farmers as well.
If I go in there I may have 50-100 known isk farmers in there at a given time.
Edit: typo
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